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Saturday, November 24, 2012

THE SLOPER TAKE ON PAS, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH!

Quite frequently, advocates for litigants in family court end up having discussions in regard to Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS), i.e. asking whether it exists and if so what can be done about it.  I have been shocked by the draconian punishments PAS activists suggest for people they consider alienators, particularly since, at this time, in my opinion, it is hard to diagnose the  condition accurately.  
 
Others have written to me disagreeing, stating that a diagnosis of Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS) is easy to identify.  One proponent of the theory wrote to me saying that it is possible to be quite accurate in establishing the presence of PAS stating,

 "The way parental alienation is exposed is by the 8 strategies that are used which result in 17 behaviors exhibited by the child". 


However, after spending as much time as I have in family court, I have zero faith in the ability of mental health professionals to observe families and children sufficiently well to observe anything.  So when you talk about strategies and behaviors, the question is, which professional is examining those things and is that professional reliable?  

Do you mean notorious Father's Rights Advocates such as Dr. Kenneth Robson, Dr. James C. Black, Dr. Sydney Horowitz, and Dr. Howard Krieger who do the vast majority of custody evaluations in the State of Connecticut, and for whom there isn't a child molester, or an male abuser they wouldn't embrace?  If so, you've lost my support right there!

Mental Health Professionals are notoriously not reliable in diagnosing anyone.  For more details, read about the study done by the psychologist David Rosenhan as described in his article "Being Sane in Insane Places."  The link is below:
 
 
I would particularly assume this is true of Mental Health Professionals who work in the legal system where corruption reigns.

I am not denying that parental alienation exists, perhaps not exactly as PAS proponents currently theorize, but in some form.  Many men as well as women have noted that they have observed the effect of PAS on their children. Women often refer to the phenomenon as Domestic Violence by Proxy.  
 
However, the problem I have with the theory is that PAS as many advocates currently describe it is associated with a well known pedophile--Dr. Richard Gardener, and his theory of PAS, no matter how solid the theory may be, has been used by abusers, particularly child sexual abusers, as the basis for improperly removing children from the care of fit mothers.  
 
Until these issues are addressed in an effective manner, until proponents of the theory acknowledge the ways in which it has been misused--as a means to accuse good mothers falsely--so that it will have credibility when it is used properly, PAS within the context of custody battles will remain a tainted approach. I have read case after case where clearly abusive Fathers have been declared the better parent despite the serious abuse they committed and given sole custody of young children solely on the basis of accusations of PAS improperly levied at the Mother.  

It is well known that when abusive fathers no longer wish to pay child support that they yell PAS and sue for custody of the children and get that custody at least 70% of the time. These are frightening numbers.

My friend, the PAS advocate states, "We also know that the majority of alienation cases are perpetrated by the custodial parent, i.e. the Mom."  Well, who is doing the research?  Can you cite the research?  I know quite enough men who perpetrate Domestic Violence by Proxy (PAS) and clearly they are quite capable of the same behavior.  Isn't the presumption that primarily women are doing this fundamentally gender biased?  After a divorce, there is griping on both sides, we would all agree.  The idea that primarily the women continue on to develop PAS, but not men--I do not find that thought credible.

One thing I would say is that when fathers do not pay child support, I consider that behavior just as damaging if not more so than PAS.  Yet such fathers do not lose access to their children.  Why is it that mental health professionals propose restricting or completely cutting off Mother's access to the children if PAS is thought to be present?  What? Again, a little gender bias here?  Women are absolutely not allowed to cut off access to fathers when they refuse to pay child support.  So it seems that when children have no food, heat, education, clothing, that's ok, but if there is PAS, eliminate Mom? Right.  What a great idea--NOT!


I think it is very revealing that the APA consistently refuses to include PAS in the DSM.  I think such decisions are a clear statement that the Mental Health Profession itself, outside of the sphere of the judicial system, does not consider PAS a credible form of mental illness.  So, making claims that PAS is a mental health condition is false and misleading of anyone who makes such a claim.  PAS and DV by Proxy is behavior that people perpetrate as the result of a decision, as a result of a choice to perform one action rather than another.  Once we understand it as a choice and stop attributing it to some nebulous disease process, I think the solution to this kind of behavior, which destroys and damages relationships within families, particularly in regard to the parent child relationship, will be far more clear.  


The bottom line is, until we stop politicizing this issue, it will be very difficult to establish what we are dealing with when it comes to PAS.  At this point, I feel that we are prematurely drawing conclusions and that we need to do far more research and get beyond the anecdotal in regard to our understanding of this kind of behavior.  

I am also not satisfied that removing a child from his or her relationship with Mom or Dad is a reasonable solution for PAS.  When courts, as a response to PAS, eliminate the other parent who is seen as the perpetrator of PAS from the lives of the children, aren't they doing exactly what they are accusing that parent of, but justification for doing so comes under a different definition as protection the child?  Same action, different excuse!

In other words, If you commit what is essentially PAS, by demonizing the other parent with the label PAS, and then doing exactly what an alienating parent would do, which is eliminate that labeled parent from the lives of the children, what makes you better?

I particularly  deplore placing protective mothers in supervised visitation which indirectly eliminates these mothers from the lives of their children.  It does so because supervised visitation is well beyond what such mothers can afford.  Another reason is because such visitation is simply part of a thinly veiled plan to obtain more documentation to trash the mother.

As a final note, if you see many of the elements of what appears to be PAS, but it turns out there is abuse, "experts" say then it is not a situation of PAS.  But, as we know, the GALs and custody evaluators in the State of Connecticut have a policy of refusing to acknowledge abuse.  As a result, any attempt to make PAS law stronger, no matter how legitimate, puts truly abused parents at risk.  

Until this situation is corrected, and Mental Health Professionals and attorneys stop denying the existence of abuse, both sides will continue to suffer, and this is wrong.  Because I would agree there are situations where PAS is at play and should be stopped.  But until the corruption in family court ends, and women who are being abused obtain the protection they are entitled to, we cannot address the problem effectively as a community because current policies put us at risk of falsely accusing high numbers of women of PAS when they are actually simply victims of domestic violence.


What I see going on here is a situation where the judicial system is playing the politics of "divide and conquer".  They pit the DV abuse advocates against the PAS advocates and let us fight it out, then they gather up all the money and go home. 


What we need to do is fight gender bias against both men AND women.  We need to condemn both DV abuse and PAS, and we need to insist that the Mental Health Professionals and attorneys involved in family court step up to the plate and do the job they are supposed to do.  And, also, I really believe that more research is needed so we can make accurate statements about both abuse and PAS so that we can reduce instances where injustices occur because of the misapplication of the science underlying these concepts.
 
I think it is time for litigants and advocates who want the reform of family court to put aside the gender war which the judicial system is taking advantage of.  We will never have change if we are going to fight among ourselves. 
 
What do we really want? 
 
We want our constitutional rights. 
 
We want the right to due process.

We want court orders enforced.  An order for visitation is an order for visitation, and that's it. 
 
We want to have the decision making in regard to our children based upon real science not fake science. 
 
We want the mental health professionals involved in our cases to think seriously about the best interests of the children. 

We want an end to children for money exchanges. 
 
We do not want mental health professionals or attorneys playing politics or pursuing their own personal agendas or replacing us in our role as parents. 
 
These are concepts that all principled advocates can stand behind, and unite behind.  And we should stand together, because Connecticut needs the strength of all its citizens in order to overcome the corruption and injustice we face in the legal system today.  

31 comments:

  1. Statistics show men who abuse their wives are far more likely to seek the contentious trial option in divorce than men who are not abusive in personality and who have tried to play a supportive role in parenting. Generally, those fathers who go to trial are not seeking to share custody of children in a reasonable co-parenting arrangement; they are looking for a winner takes all result. The current practices common to the Family Courts seem to facilitate this aim.
    In my personal experience, I was a full-time mum. My husband tricked me into an overseas visit on family business only to cut off all finances, ban me from returning to the house and children and move his girlfriend in as replacement mother. I went to court with nine professional opinions stating I was a victim of longstanding emotional and psychological abuse, yet the judge still made his custody ruling in favor of my abusive husband because he was the one with the visa, work permit, money and status and my younger children chose to stay with him. I learned from my daughter, who was 18, their father convinced them I would not be able to offer them a secure future on my own.
    Later, after the decree was issued but the custody battle continued, my ex lost his job and I was able to secure an independent visa to stay in the U.S. He was no longer in the prime position to offer security to the children and had clearly demonstrated he had no intention of co-parenting. A court appointed forensic psychologist attested to this fact. However, the judge refused to reconsider the custody decision even though he knew, by that time I had no contact at all with my children. Instead, he gave my ex permission to take them out of the country with his new wife and her children.
    I had by then become a victim of intentional parental alienation. My ex had successfully blocked and destroyed my visitation attempts and continually maligned me to the children. In short: he was able to turn my children against me by a process of misrepresentation and manipulation. He showed all his court documents to the children who were too naive to understand what was written was not proven, factual evidence.
    I sympathize with the numerous women who have had accusations of PAS used against them, and I am well aware how widespread this problem is. I know the courts throw out the protective mothering argument in favor of believing these women are delusional and/or spiteful. However, my story demonstrates there is another side to the coin, one that is rarely considered. Ironically, although I accused my ex of parental alienation, I was not believed because of all the publicity given to women's groups supporting protective mothers who claim PAS is junk science.
    I see the mishandling of the PAS debate as a major, modern tragedy, and I agree with your analyses that the polarization of the debate along sexist lines is deflecting us from a more mature analyses and the chance of finding solutions. I know with certainty, I am a victim of a most severe case of parental alienation. It has caused me to be thousands of miles from my sons without any contact whatsoever. Regardless of whether the theory of PAS is accepted and perpetrators of parental alienation are said to have a mental disorder; I agree they are taking a conscious decision to bring about alienation and their consequent behaviors are genuine. As an alienated mother, I live in constant torture due to denial of contact with my children. I find it tragic they have been so consumed by the lies and misrepresentation of facts propagated by their father through the court, they are prepared to copy his cruel and heartless example and treat me, their mother, as if I am a leper.
    I am currently researching and writing a book, using my own experience to show what it is like to be a victim of abuse and parental alienation going through a contentious divorce and custody battle and I would like to network with those people who believe they have something to contribute towards an awareness raising venture.

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  2. What is interesting here is that when a parent-child relationship is destroyed, pursuit to Ct case law is grounds for a parent to emancipate themselves from the child in question which produces removal of child support. This is not obviously beneficial for the child since it is the child's right to support, but it seems that this is the latest cure for parental alienation.
    2 cases that allow that to happen:
    In Re Karrlo K. 44 Conn. Supp. 101, 116, 669 A.2d 1249 (1994)
    In re Christian P., 98 Conn. App. 264, 269, 907 A.2d 1261 (2006
    In these cases the issue was no-ongoing parent-child relationship irregardless of the parent fault allows dads claiming PA to stop paying child support just by a termination of parental rights. So now protective moms have 2 choices 1. they can allow the alleged abuser to TPR and loose child support or .. 2. they can co-parent, cooperate in a parenting plan and both parents and the child win.

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    1. I think this is very shaky. When you have Mom's getting DNA tests to identify the biological father maybe years after the child is born in order to get child support through the state, it strikes me that no parental relationship isn't a legitimate defense. You are always going to have the or two cases that are out there, but the majority of decisions are what establishes precedent.

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  3. By the way forgot to mention ..Ct case ..
    Debek vs B"haiti MMX-CV04-4000791-S,MMX-CV07-5002519-S,MMX-CV08-5005844-S,NNH-FA00-4005681-S

    Debek vs B'Haiti - primary custodial parent mother was sued and judgment was rendered by the court in the amount of $ 3.5 million dollars for the plaintiff

    non-custodial parent father after non-custodial father spent time in jail for false accusations of sexual abuse and suffered a loss of parent-child

    relationship due to custodial parents verbal actions of influence and malicious intent.

    What this says is a protective parent can be sued for millions of dollars just to make a personal grudge out of a custody case and be left with no child support. Truth is one should view Marlene Debeks situation for being a protective parent to see if its worth it all. After all marlene debek has custody after the father terminated his rights but she gets no child support along wuth a 3.5 million dollar judgement and believe me, the dad is collecting his monies worth and the child is suffering at the expense of the protective mother.

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    1. If the child is suffering, that is because of the father's vindictive wish to collect a judgment he has no right to. This only continues to prove the points that I have made about abusive men.

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  4. I will make no comment except to say that Marlene was a self represented party and father had one of the top civil rights attorneys in the State of Connecticut--John Williams. Again, this is what I talk about all the time on my blog that protective mothers face legal abuse all the time and most of us are being persecuted by the legal system with rulings such as the Dybek case. When there is genuine parental alienation, that is another matter.

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  5. I strongly disagree.Marlene Debek had tons of pro-bono legal representation from the Joan Meirer group from Wash DC. she still lost with all that free help.

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  6. When you say legal representation, are you talking that attorneys from the Joan Meirer group submitted appearances pro haq vice and were arguing the case in court on her behalf? Or had CT Lawyers associated with their firm speaking in court on her behalf?

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  7. apparent debek could not afford attorney fees for her original lawyer because she was incarcerated. That is when Joan Meier's group actually argued in court for her behalf she got custody after a costly fight, and only after the child's father gave up. This was a result of a TPR and a 3.5 $million judgement(excuse my typos-using a phone)and Meier's group unsuccessfully failed to reduce the judgment. Moral of the story is "lying" doesn't pay. Look at Faye Yager in NC. She has been put out of commission with RICO charges.(racketeering and corruption charges).

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    1. To sum it all up in a few words, the stigma of Faye Yager and the Rubenstein case from Waterford has left a very bad stain for the courts to deal with. The protective parent doesn't stand a chance so why bother...? You lost your case...didnt you..?

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  8. You didn't really answer my question, but again, I would say, fathers' rights supremist groups and the fathers they support have succeeded in destroying the lives of many, many women and the children they have sexually abused. I am assuming that Marlene who is supporting the child with her work is not forced not only to support the child, whom you somehow appear to be blaming, and also pay to the father the 3.5 million. And how is that in the best interests of the child? You see, if this was a father with any moral values whatsoever, the child would have sufficient financial support and all the money would not be going to the father who, I am assuming, is reasonably well off already.

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  9. I guess what really bothers me about these father's rights types is that they are just plain old mean. Listen to the tone of voice, the self righteousness, the desire to punish and harm, the selective reporting. Give me a break!

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  10. actually if both parents want the best interest of the child they have to stop lying to the court for selfish interest and monetary gains. That is the core of the problem. If abuse was truthfully the case it would present before any child was born and if it is true..? Why would the woman stay with an abusive man..? she has plenty of opportunity to leave before the children become victims so when abuse is alleged and no proof is offered before child bearing time, one has to question credibility of the accuser. I'm no way saying abuse doesn't exist ...it does but when using children as pawns in a vicious alleged lie makes it questionable.

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  11. also from your prior postings you don't agree with split joint-physical custody for what-ever reasons, disruptive, whatever poor excuse, but Ct does now have valid split physical custody cases that do work and is successful. The Shared Parenting Council in W.Hart has the stats and a record of docket court cases where its working. Why because both parents are making it work.

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    1. Are you telling me you found one or two shared parenting situations, so you think that shared parenting should be spread all over the state based upon these few examples of success? That makes no sense. I grant I have also run into situations where shared physical custody works and it is great when it does. Ok, I know of one, and two or three years after the divorce, the guy found another woman, moved to a different town and decided to reduce his access time with the children. So much for that. Children need a consistent homelife, and it seems to me that if they are jumping from home to home, that is pretty difficult to obtain. I certainly agree that both parents need meaningful time with the children and that the Court could show greater flexibility about that. However, a rigid 50/50 time schedule, I have trouble with. Plus, isn't this just a disguised ploy to reduce child support.

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  12. Why would a woman stay with an abusive man? This is the question so many research studies talk about. Perhaps these women are terrified of their abusers--that might be a good reason. I don't know about lying, but one thing I do know is that if a woman has been the primary custodian of the children during the marriage, I find it very hard to believe accusations that such a mother suddenly becomes unfit once the couple files for divorce. There seems to me to be a big lie in that. I support anything parents can agree upon, particularly if it is in the best interests of the children. However, when there is domestic violence, I think other arrangements have to be made. But I welcome your comments.

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  13. I strongly disagree especially your words about mothers being the primary custodian during a marriage. Maybe traditional roles play out in a marriage but the idea that the mother has main custody on a marriage is just where the prejudices lie with the protective parent group and that by any means does not give the mother more credibility than the father. Now I understand just why your protective parent groups are losing in the courts. Men are to be equal to women when it comes to parenting. You women campaign for equal pay, job opportunities, etc but don't practice equal for male parenting unless you financially benefit from it. Now I understand why u lost your case earlier with the GAL.

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    1. "Men are to be equal to women when it comes to parenting. You women campaign for equal pay, job opportunities, etc but don't practice equal for male parenting unless you financially benefit from it."

      When have men been systematically deprived of equal pay, job opportunities, education, right to control of their own lives whether married or single, voting rights, CHILD CUSTODY. etc., just for being male? NEVER. This is something that has historically happened to women for centuries only until very recently. Women were systematically deprived of custody of their children without any court order visitation until only the last hundred years. It was only when women started getting any kind of custody that men suddenly wanted to be equal parents. Until then, women were deprived of custody even when they did all the childcare simply because women and children were chattel by law. I get sick and tired of men whining about not being "equal parents" because they only get visitation when women historically have had to fight for their human rights in all areas as well as child custody. Who do these guys think they are kidding when comparing some recreational sperm donor's right to visitation with the historically systematic abuse and denial of women's human rights? Give me a break!

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  14. Simply put...you want credibility for alleged abuse charges..it won't stick or be believable because of your chauvinistic primary custodial beliefs about mothers being the primary custodian on a marriage. Men contribute equally to the custody of children generally speaking as a norm and should be treated with equal terms of custody on a divorce.Now that we know just where the values are for such PMA groups we need to start alerting the general public about your prejudiced values.

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  15. OK, well you misunderstood me. I said, "if a woman" has been primary caretaker of the children for the vast majority of the marriage, why should that mother all of a sudden end up declared unfit because the couple filed for a divorce. If she hasn't been the primary caretaker and both were equally involved in the lives of the children, then it is another matter entirely. I have encountered situations where the father played the role as primary caretaker of the children and mother worked in some big job. I am saying that I believe in consistency for the children.

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  16. I would say, anonymous 7:34, that what you just did in writing your comment demonstrates what protective mothers object to which is putting words in my mouth that I have not said and then using it as a means to undercut me. Magnify this small example into a high conflict divorce situation, and you have just the abuse that I have been talking about. The truth does set people free, because once they do that, problems which once seemed insoluable all of a sudden settle themselves.

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  17. I disagree because one individual has the right to a valid dispute for untruthful false facts that could be alleged and it should not be called DV by proxy, or DV because the issue doesn't agree with your terms.This type of dispute suppression is more like the days of Hitler and any men should be able to dispute false facts without being oppressed by VAWA or be called DV by proxy because it is a dispute.In my opinion mothers have no more credibility on parenting then men just because you say women are primary custodians.That is the view I'm getting by watching your comments.What I find ironic is that in a majority of these cases the abuse claim is not brought up until a custody dispute arises.

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  18. By the thought I'd mention about Massachusetts new VAWA law for landlords in this state which was passed in support of your group of PMA. A DV victim (alleged) can claim DV and renege on the terms of their residential lease just by false claims of abuse.As a landlord here in Mass. we can't collect back rents due to these groups false DV claims. So now I have contributed to the new Mass.Eviction Database that is going online and I created a "VAWA" category for landlords to rate past tenants. With over 700 landlords participating I am sure we can avoid problem PMA tenants for renters.
    This is with the MHRA. Mass. Rental Housing Assoc. We are getting educated properly about the pitfalls of renting to PMA groups and learning not to get stuck with bad tenant PMA mothers.

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  19. Anonymous 9:28, what I find interesting about your commmentary is again your method of communication is what women have been talking about with abusive men. The first half of your statement is fairly incomprehensible. What are "untruthful false facts that could be alleged"? This what protective mothers are complaining about when it comes to using language in a way to confuse, acuse and abuse. It is just a barrage of hard to comprehend fairly hostile languaging. So what you are doing by leaving these comments is simply proving my point. When women finally break free of the abuse, that is when they file for divorce, and that is why it arises just at that time. As for what these landlords are doing--I would suspect it is illegal and the website sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen!

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  20. At our next meeting the database is being introduced. After implementation we will pass a copy to our Ct affiliate association for modification for Ct. Then again it may not be needed in Ct because no VAWA law exist for landlords yet in Ct. In short we don't have to rent to these individuals because any false claim of DV leads any reasonable and prudent landlord to believe disruptive behavior to other tenants and damage to property could happen so we can choose NOT TO RENT and keep track of it via a private database for landlords.Again disputing any statement of false facts of DV is not DV in itself nor is it a cause for divorce, but when used in a new law to prevent payments of rents they can be categorized a bad tenant with an unfulfilled lease due.Its the same as non-payments of rents.

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  21. I think a false claim of domestic violence is very different than a real one. I would still run all of this past an attorney simply because all you need is one lawsuit...

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  22. While you advocate real issues of alleged abuse, I advocate issues of false abuse and that concerns a lot of landlords because of the potential for damage and disruptive tenants. Whether it's true or false the issue of getting entitlements and ending leases is a separate matter that is now getting passed to rental property owners in addition to fathers. Actually Attorney Richard Vetstein gave his blessing on this since it is a private membership database. If a PMA parent gets listed as a VAWA tenant they would be entitle to a cpy of the information especially if it results in a rental denial. My only concern is that the info is accurate and Mass. Law requires the tenant to provide documentation and that info truth or false is entered. What this database will do is provide a history of repeat accusers and such info can be used against them in other cases. If a tenant has a dispute they will have to resolve that with the reporting landlord. The law doesn't regulate the information contained in the database. It is like a credit bureau report and our only concern is that the info is accurate.If your looking to keep DV case information private that is not possible in regards to it relating to tenants references. We as landlords have a right to information including DV claims to determine credit worthiness for an apartment rental.

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  23. Forgot to add, I assume if a DV tenant wants to resolve a reported DV bad tenant reference, they could always make arrangements to pay the remaining terms of the forfeited lease to the landlord and perhaps the landlord would remove the report and consider the lease fulfilled according to terms. Making claims of DV in this sense true and/or false would establish a history of chronic false complainers and simply no landlord wants those kind of problem tenants.

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  24. It is an interesting concept. Of course, if this impacts folks negatively who have genuine claims of DV, I would have a problem with that, and I think the courts would as well.

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  25. I will send you a web address here www.spoa.com click on the domestic violence link and read about how most of these landlords feel about DV and damaged property and disruptive tenants whether false or truth. The facts are any DV is a bad reference and any "self claimed" DV for false reporting makes it worse and ruins it for the few that are real cases and I mean only a few. It takes 2 to tango so PMA mothers are equally responsible. As for the eviction database go here www.tenancybureau.com you will see that the Mass. Local database I am creating will export to this national site and you will see that this national database is located in Canada so your court threats are actionless. US courts have no jurisdiction in Canada.In fact private detective Harry Boardsen recommended using this database connection because it stretches across several countries and can track PMA mothers in other countries. You should go check it out nothing to hide except tracking bad tenants and DV tenants that cause problems

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  26. I think this will be unfortunately if it harms Protective Mothers who are victims of domestic violence.

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